Ludicrousness Personified!

Posted by Unknown On Friday, February 11, 2011 21 comments
Let me set the record straight. I have been a Christian since 1973 but have never encountered any thing which has been referred to as a Christian vice. What in the blazes am I talking about? Read THIS POST and you might get my drift.

A Christian is one who has gone through the sinner's prayer and accepted Jesus as his/her Lord and Savior. Being born in a Christian family does not make one a Christian. It is a personal experience that the convert goes through. I am not trying to convert anyone to Christianity but am trying to clarify certain terms.

What then is a vice? According to Dictionary.com, it is a noun which can mean:

1. an immoral or evil habit or practice.
2. immoral conduct; depraved or degrading behavior: a life of vice.
3. sexual immorality, especially prostitution.
4. a particular form of depravity.
5. a fault, defect, or shortcoming: a minor vice in his literary style.
6. a physical defect, flaw, or infirmity: a constitutional vice.
7. a bad habit, as in a horse.
8. ( initial capital letter ) a character in the English morality plays, a personification of general vice or of a particular vice, serving as the buffoon.

There is no such thing as Christian vices. The Bible teaches Christians to stay away from all that is mentioned above and more. However, no one is perfect and there could still be Christians who commit sins. Even Paul the Apostle himself has talked about the constant struggle between doing what he knows is right and doing what he wants to do.

In the FMT article HERE, Malaysian Consultative Council of Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism and Taoism (MCCBCHST) president Thomas Philips said no religion should be belittled due to a lack of understanding.

“We should not belittle any religion just because we don’t understand it. Her comments were not in context as she wrongly understood that Valentine’s Day was a Christian festival,” he said.

Ignorance is no excuse for any insensitive statement. Religious leaders must be exemplary leaders that followers can look up to them as role models and follow prescribed patterns of behavior.

There have been many incidents when those from other religions went astray and as far as I know, no Christian leader has stepped forward to judge or to condemn them.

John 8:7 (NKJV) So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said to them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

No one has any right to condemn another person. Honestly. I am not a fanatical Christian and those of you who have been reading my blog would be aware of my level of tolerance. This is the first and (I hope) the last time I am writing to defend my religion.

It is alarming that the program where the statements were uttered was aired on a nationwide scale. I am deeply concerned as to the impact on how non-Christians view Christians. Religious fervor, unrestrained sans sensitivity and mutual respect, can be destructive.

Interestingly, it is only in the last ten years that Muslims in other parts of the world have been objecting to Valentine's Day. CLICK HERE to see the trend. For the 50 years that I have lived in Malaysia, this is the FIRST time that statements such as those uttered and even the correlation of Valentine's Day with Christianity - a fallacious one indeed - has been made. Why the sudden morality crusade when in other cases of immorality, some have their lips zipped? Will anything be done to remedy/diffuse the situation?

For the record, the bible does not teach or promote Valentine's Day. Even Christmas is not inherently a Christian practice.



Please note the following points which I have summarized from Wikipedia HERE:

1. Saint Valentine's Day, commonly shortened to Valentine's Day, is an annual commemoration held on February 14 celebrating love and affection between intimate companions.

2.The day is named after one or more early Christian martyrs named Valentine and was established by Pope Gelasius I in 500 AD.

3. It was deleted from the Roman calendar of saints in 1969 by Pope Paul VI, but its religious observance is still permitted.

4. It is traditionally a day on which lovers express their love for each other by presenting flowers, offering confectionery, and sending greeting cards (known as "valentines").

5. The day first became associated with romantic love in the circle of Geoffrey Chaucer in the High Middle Ages, when the tradition of courtly love flourished.

6. Modern Valentine's Day symbols include the heart-shaped outline, doves, and the figure of the winged Cupid. Since the 19th century, handwritten valentines have given way to mass-produced greeting cards.

Now if those who are against Valentine's Day had done their homework and research to bulldoze their sheer ignorance, they would not have made a fool of themselves with ludicrous statements. With the click of the mouse, such information can be accessed easily! The history and background of Valentine's Day can be accessed HERE.

Jakim has the right to do what they deem is right in their religion as reported HERE. Checking out for 'sinful activities at favourite lovers' spots around the country' should be carried out everyday, not just on Valentine's Day. Their attempt to promote a sin-free lifestyle should be lauded but I do not know why only university students have been targeted. If they intend to promote godly behavior etc etc, why not reach out to a broad cross-section of the population?

It is saddening to know that monetary resources, manpower, time and attention has been diverted to Valentine's Day when the issue is immorality and not the festival per se.

Surely there are better things to do, more pressing issues to address, more serious problems to overcome such as corruption, injustice, discrimination and many other issues?

So what will it be next? A decree that it is wrong to celebrate Mothers' Day, Fathers' Day, Teachers' Day etc etc according to their whims and fancies?

Once again, who or what is important? What is the meaning of 1Malaysia? Are we not expected to demonstrate religious tolerance, mutual respect and all that talk about unity in diversity, harmony and all that jazz?

Further reading:

Namoos-i-Risalat: Protesters set their sights on Valentine’s Day

Valentine's Day Objections

21 comments to Ludicrousness Personified!

  1. says:

    evil but kind While your article is factual ( & truthful too we might add ), you have to go behind the real reason(s)the lady made the remark.

    Malaysians get all excited with such mundane things, especially something concerning love & sex, or the lack thereof.

    The lady is merely doing a political stunt, using only one weapon which may be successful(?) in the kampungs to a little extent, and more so affecting the general public such as some Blogs and other "champions" of human rights. What people like her and other devious "religious" souls aim to achieve she has got exactly , like clockwork precision, such as in predictable responses from yourself here and countless more.

    Its all propaganda, baby, not religion per se nor truths nor anything else or what not

    and you like many intelligent people/cutting edge bloggers ( or people with nothing else to do ) fell for it.

    If we are truly "intelligent and concerned", we should have just ignored this stunt

  1. says:

    BeNatang10 The world truly needs George W. Bush Jr to weed out these taliban fanatics!

    Praise to the Lord and GWB Jr.!!!

  1. says:

    JackieA Amen to that! I was appalled when I heard what that ignorant woman said and never in my life have I condemned another's religion because in my family there are Hindu's and Moslem's and we are Christians. That woman should be made to apologize publicly - but I guess we are barking up the wrong tree as we will be "asked not to take it out of context"!!! As always! If the tables were turned and we said that 'couple couple, dating......is a Muslim practice' the city will come to a standstill today because the Malays will stage a nationwide protest after their Friday prayers!

  1. says:

    Anonymous While it sometimes may be prudent to "just ignore" the "stunt", perhaps then we could also use the same argument and create some "stunts" of our own knowing there will be people like you who will just ignore the"stunt".the fact of the matter is that this is a public statement for general consumption and is an insult to other religions. I don't categorize it as a "stunt".
    I still maintain that although the govt. is inherently flawed probably because it has to please everyone,we mustn't vote blindly just because we want an opposition. The recent events have shown the real colours of PAS so let's not kid ourselves.

  1. says:

    Unknown Dear Anon # 1

    Thank you for your sharp and analytical response. You have much insight, wisdom and write most lucidly. I agree with your views and stand which is the reason why my response was a delayed one. When the issue first came up, I kept silent while others had already blogged about it.

    However, the straw that broke the camel's back was her statement and the adjectives she used.

    I wrote this post to ensure that the uninitiated do not get the wrong end of the stick with regards to the issue. It was a very tough decision as in my whole blogging experience, I had steered clear of religious issues till now.

    Thank you so much for your honesty and for caring enough to share your thoughts. Take care and do keep in touch. I would love to hear your views again.

    God bless you and yours. Have a great weekend.

    Best wishes

  1. says:

    Anonymous Put indoctrinated zombies in influential positions and this is what you get.

    We have to sympathise with and not condemn people like her. Christians will forgive her for she is not in control of her faculties.

  1. says:

    Anonymous Utter rubbish and distortion of facts presented by a pseudo academic!!

    If ISLAM is superior, please explain why MUSLIMS have the highest cases/statistics of the following;

    - Highest drug/substance abuse cases in Malaysia
    - Highest teenage pregnancies
    - Highest divorce cases (less than 5 yrs marriage)
    - Highest baby dumping
    - Highest incest cases (estimated only @ 10-15% reported in Malaysia)
    - Highest number of sexual dysfunction (homosexuality, effeminacy, transsexuals etc)

    Seems to be the SUB-CULTURE of Muslims…..don't you think.
    So tell me again why is ISLAM superior?
    Where is the love, compassion, forgiveness, grace and mercy in the Islamic belief system??

    You guys focus too much on rituals and the external appearance of holiness….leading to a great deal of hypocrisy (MUNAFIK). It is so easy to appear holy and pious in Islam. (countless cases on the womanizing and drinking orgies of Islamic leaders of the world…. inc the house of Saud). Even moral policing is enforced selectively

    Underneath it all you are mostly SEX OBSESSED and weak minded.

    Yeah and finally.. Valentine's day is not a Christian invention or tradition.
    It is a money making event popularized by business interests.

  1. says:

    A Single Vote Maam,

    When our little monster was 3, she believed she was English just because we speak English at home and her cousin was Chinese as they speak Chinese. It took some time as her young logic could not understand our explaination but eventually she did accept the fact. She was not alone as many a child has experienced this as well.

    For this unfortunate episode, Valentine is an English word, thus Christian. Let us find it in our hearts to not fault her her ignorance. Like us she was merely defending her religion. It will take much time to correct her and many more who may not necessarily be from PAS.

    Now to say that we will need to rethink our decision to cast our votes for PAS because of this is just as ignorant. I myself am a Christian but there has been many a time too when I feel proud of the actions of PAS.

    Let us be reminded of the billions the crooks continue to spend so they can steal us blind. Each day we read of millions for all kinds of projects and each time we ask ourselves how much goes where. It has come to a stage where the major portion goes astray because who knows they may not be around after the next elections. This plundering has become so blatant they will need to wag the dog. Unfortunately, the unity and religous harmony of the nation happen to be the most volatile ingredient.

    Let us stay focussed on our cause. Get rid of BN and our battle is won.

  1. says:

    Anonymous What an ignoramus ! Just because she has that position as an Ustazah, she thinks she is qualified to speak on issue(s) perceived to be of christian values.

    The most dangerous of person are those who think they know all and tell all but yet are foolish in the eyes of the masses. Only a fool believe in themself.

    Her moral teaching is that adultery means that both party are caught in the act whereas we have a much higher standard that is incomparable. Lusting after a woman/man in our heart is already consider an adulterous act.

    Also, in her understanding and teaching it is alright for her daughter to be married as long she reaches puberty. Maybe at an age below 13 and marries a man of 50 to 60 year old is still acceptable since her religion said so.

    There are so many issues far more important than Valentine that requires urgent attention but what we have here is "one bright star" teaching us about moral. There are far more muslims ladies crying for help out there after being dumped by their men who think that they have the rights to go for their "prized catch" of younger women as their trophies then muslims celebrating Valentine.

    Don't be surprise that next they will label surfing as sinful and even watching of "western" movies too. Since everything western are connected to christianity as she would had said.

    All said, let us remain in the attitude of loving others despite what she or others have had said. “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.” - 1 Cor 3:4-5 (NIV)

    ~ahoo~

  1. says:

    Anonymous I agree with you. As a Christian, I was horrified to read what this Ustazah said. To me, she has insulted all Christians everywhere. It's alright for her to warn people of immoral behavior but to link it to Christianity is totally uncalled for.

    Furthermore, warning against immorality should be made to all people, not just Muslims or Christians and it should be done every day, not just on Valentines Day. But please do not link immorality with Christianity as though all those who indulge in immoral behavior on Valentines Day are Christians only.

  1. says:

    Sam Masterwordsmith,

    You the man! You sure say it like it is.

    But I wouldn't be too agitated by these damn fools though,especially when they talk about morals or take a mocking swipe at other religions. What bothers me more is "christians' themselves are providing the fodder for these mockers to pick on.
    e.g. why is christmas (and easter) celebrated with gusto in churches and homes even though, as you will agree, these celebrations were never instituted by the Christ or the apostles. During these celebrations, people who live lives that are devoid of the Lordship of the living Christ, make a total mockery of him and the Holy One who sent him, thus inviting mockers to issue ludicrous pronouncements.

    Hope you can write something on this for the benefit of your fans.

    Good on you!

  1. says:

    Anonymous I think we all know what the majority of non muslims think right now of PAS.Even their component parties in the shaky alliance have been caught off guard by their unilateral moves of late. I shudder to think what will happen when and if ignorant people or those who have selective partiality for reasons only known to them vote these people into power.Just imagine, they are already setting up "moral policing",imposing their "superior" values on us ,beginning to run down other religions and even refusing to shake hands (sic).
    I'd rather have a government who may not have a clean slate than a government who tells me how inferior my religion is or who curtails my liberties.
    Of course I prefer a better government but to vote in another which is more dangerous is utter stupidity.

  1. says:

    khairul as a muslim, I apologize to all members of the christian faith as we muslims have never been brought up to tarnish another group/race/religion. I am deeply saddened by this event and I am really embarassed as this shudnt have happened.

    all i can say is im sorry for their lack of knowledge, ignorance, lack of sensitivity,prejudice and lack of respect. I think an Inter-faith dialogue is a must to avoid these things from happening again as it shall create more understanding and respect between each other.

    to my muslim brothers and sisters, my act of apology is not an act of a populist nor cowardice. plz understand that it is an act of honor, to show that we the majority of the muslims respect other faiths and has no prejudice against each other.

    to my christian friends and relatives, though its hard, i would call for calm. lets try to find a solution that can repair this broken bridge. all we want is peace and harmony so that all of us malaysians can believe and practice our faiths, honoring our freedom of religious beliefs that is enshrined in the constitution.

  1. says:

    A Single Vote Maam,

    I am confused.

    Please help me recollect, which party was it that was responsible for the moral policing that napped the poor young couple for holding hands in a public area of KLCC, stepped on cows' heads to antagonise the Hindus because of the siting of a temple and the last straw, in the honoring of our freedom of religion, legally stopping you and me from calling our Lord, Allah? And on top of all that, stealing all that we have worked for. Surely I have to be utterly stupid to continue to vote for them.

    Help me now, which party was that, I promise I will surely remember that come election time.

  1. says:

    Sam Dear Khairul,

    Sorry, your apology for Muslims' "lack of knowledge, ignorance, lack of sensitivity,prejudice and lack of respect" though honorable, rings hollow.

    Surely you are not referring to Muslims in Malaysia - the land
    where nothing existed before Muslims sprouted out of nowhere about 600years ago?
    where it is blared over loudspeakers, ceramahs, and national TV in various languages that Islam is the ONLY true religion and all the rest are false?
    where the world "allah" is declared to be exclusive to muslims and Bibles containing that word are routinely confiscated?
    where during school hours lessons are scrapped so that muslim students can do their parade thingy on "maulidur" rasul" day while the other students are left to idle their time till the bell rings?
    where the "imam" of Islam Hadhari (who swept a 90% majority sweep of Parliament) decreed that an interfaith commission is out of the question?

    Do you really want everyone to believe that the majority of Muslims (on whose behalf you apologise)have been twiddling their thumbs while all the above (and much much more) has been dished out blatantly and openly by the "minority Muslims", disregarding the voices of protest?

    Fact is - it was the majority of muslims who voted in the same kind of morons who have been responsible for bulldozing such affronts for the past 40 years. So which majority are you representing, Khairul please? Or are you implying that it is the non-muslims who helped the minority prejudiced muslims to come up with the above "Islam-is-supreme" policies while you and the majority were busy "honoring our freedom of religious beliefs"?

    And you are asking christians to be calm???? You know what?
    Christians have been calm.
    Hindus have been calm.
    Buddhists have been calm.
    Atheists have been calm.
    Even Communists have been calm.
    Like "A Single Vote" wrote, guess which group has been constantly frothing at the mouth and routinely kicking up a ruckus lately?

    Get real, Khairul.

  1. says:

    Unknown Dear Sam,

    Thanks for swinging by again to share your input.

    I took an hour to decide whether or not to publish your comment but I released it for the purpose of generating discussion about what you were trying to say.

    I believe Khairul is sincere in his comment which may represent what many others, although not all, may feel.

    Khairul's call for an inter-faith dialogue is good and really a much-needed one but in reality, must be accompanied by a willingness by all to respect one another.

    There has to be a long-term and ongoing effort to mediate and to narrow the gap between those of different faith.

    Leaders must be exemplary figures to show tolerance and mutual understanding. Without those values, it would be difficult for others to demonstrate the same.

    Let us all try to see each other the way God sees us and to practise tolerance and to forgive each other. I know it is difficult for one may forgive but may not forget.

    However, unforgiveness and resentment may breed hatred, enmity and other negative vibes which, in the long run, is detrimental to wider society and our mental health.

    Thanks to all commenters, including Sam and Khairul, for being honest in their comments. I appreciate every single one of you who took the time and trouble to pen your thoughts here.

    If I have offended any one, please accept my humble apologies for that is not my intention at all. I have close friends who are Muslims, Hindus, atheists and from other faiths. Let us really see each other for who we are and live together in harmony and unity. It is difficult but together, if and when we try, I believe it is possible.

    Take care and do keep in touch.

    Best wishes

  1. says:

    Anonymous In response to a single vote,I think you have to look at which party has been quietly promoting this form of extremism.Geat real, your examples shows people with extremist views not aligned to any party.For all we know, they are probably aligned to the same ones who were in the news recently.
    To vote in a greater evil is utter stupidity and if you haven't seen thru' the true colours of this party, then you must be blind.Remember, I said a greater evil, not good and bad.Read what I wrote.

  1. says:

    A Single Vote Maam,

    I must first apologise for using your blog for this tete-a-tete with my anonymous friend but I will need to clarify that I will certainly not cast my single precious vote solely on religious issues but like Mr Anonymous suggests, for the lesser evil. My Single Vote comes with many many more, I must add. Your footsoldier!!

    We have been told that the blogs are full of lies and that we should turn towards the print media for the truth. Now the pictures of the cowhead incident clearly showed which party the culprits were from.

    Certainly, PAS has its fair share of extremists but whatever religious/moral issues they wanted to pursue, they are brave enough to stand behind their flags to do it and engage the public. On the other hand that cleanslate party wants us to believe that they were not involved in that cowhead incident so the culprits must be "are probably aligned to the same ones who were in the news recently". How many more other unseen hands incidents are there?


    For me the greater evil is the one who steals from the poor rakyat to feed their obscene lifestyles. And here we cannot plead ignorance or perhaps they could be lies too?

    We will need to get rid of the looters or there may not be anything left for us to defend.

  1. says:

    Khairul Dear Sam,

    I totally understand your concerns and how you evaluate and compare with our situation that have shaped your perception towards my comments.

    Sam, I would say mostly you are right, Christians have been calm, Hindus have been calm, and many others have been calm, but I know there are others who are not. But, I am not bothered because these people do not represent the group. Just like you see Muslims on TV, or Islamic TV programs that have released statements or comments that have insulted you or any other group, do these people on TV totally represent Islam or the whole Muslim community?

    It is just like the Al-Qaeda for instance, do they represent the Muslim world? Do they represent the practice of the Islamic teachings? I know you are not that ignorant to know the answer.

    You have to understand that most of you might think that you don't have religious, you might be wrong. I can tell you many reasons that you are wrong because you are not aware of the happenings outside of your community. Yes, your freedom might be denied but others suffer worst cases than yours. Sure we do not want to compare who gets it worse, that is not the whole point. But just to point your finger without knowing the real situation is also not helpful. Those who have a sound mind, should work together, not against each other.

    FYI, i live in a very colourful family. Malay, Chinese, Indian, Singh, Portuguese, Sri Lankan, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, even Atheists are all part of my family. It is hard to find another complete set of families, like mine only lacking people and religion from borneo. So we talk, we discuss on our race, our religion, freely without any problem and we totally understand each other in almost every aspect.

    Now this is the thing that i want to remain in my family and this is what i want us to do among each other. Do not just point fingers at each other and create more problems.

  1. says:

    Anonymous Well,to each his straight talking own.You have decided and I have too. No need in keeping this going on.
    The past record of PAS speaks volumes for itself.And you have to remember that they are not in power yet compared to the present party.So as to whether they will be corrupt free and not line their pockets like what is happening now,well your guess is as good as mine.
    All I am saying is that in our headlong push to rid the present party we may be jumping from the frying pan into the fire.
    I will vote for the best party that will guarantee my rights and my liberties.So far, there is none that I will trust wholeheartedly except for certain individuals.
    I will not vote blindly and out of spite.I will vote for a multi racial,clean, secular party that respects my right of worship.There is none so far that fits the bill to a tee.Enough said.

  1. says:

    Anonymous Khairul I respect your views and can see that you are a true gentleman.I only wish we had more people like you in this country.My fervent wish is for a country that was like it was in the old days where everyone mingled more freely.
    I think you hit the nail on the head when you pressed on the point of mutual self respect and understanding as the way forward.Peace be with you brother.

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