The CPF, prepared by Zaid Ibrahim, Pakatan Rakyat's policy coordinator, will be the compass and guiding light to the coalition in their effort to reach and touch the hearts and minds of Malaysians to convince them that they are sincere in their effort to check the downward spiralling trend of Malaysia if and when they succeed in winning the next election.
The coalition recognizes that many still Malaysians still fall prey to BN’s propaganda to promote a narrow understanding of race, divisive hate politics and authoritarianism. The recessive economy, the loss of moral conscience coupled with the greed of corruption and archaic policies have caused Malaysia to lag behind compared to other vibrant economies in the region. With that, the gap between the haves and have-nots and between the Peninsular and Sabah and Sarawak have widened even further.
Through the Common Policy Framework, Pakatan Rakyat has publicly announced their commitment to fully internalise and carry out an agenda of new politics by mobilizing the people’s power from the various races, religions and cultures as one force.
You can read a summary of the Common Policy Framework HERE.
Many Malaysians are still unclear about the Common Policy Framework. As such, Sembang-sembang Forum is organizing a forum to help Malaysians to understand the Common Policy Framework. Details are as follows:
Pakatan Rakyat's Common Policies Framework - Meeting Voters' Expectations?
Date: 5 February 2010 ( Friday ), 8.30pm
Venue: Kompleks Masyarakat Penyayang Penang,
Jalan Utama, Penang. ( Next to Governor's Residence)
Speakers:
YBM Senator Tunku Abdul Aziz Ibrahim
(Vice-Chairman DAP)
Founder of Malaysian Chapter of
Transparency International
YB Dr HJ. Dzulkefly Ahmad
(Central Committee Member PAS, MP Kuala Selangor)
YB Sivarasa Rasiah
( Vice-President PKR, MP Subang)
This post was also featured HERE.
Please come early to get a seat. This forum is open to everyone. Admission is free. See you there!
*If you have a question regarding the CPF and cannot make it to the forum, please leave your question(and your name) in the comment box and I will try my best to pose these at the forum. Thank you.
48 comments to CAN PAKATAN RAKYAT MEET VOTERS' EXPECTATIONS?
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Unknown Yup, Denim Guy. Do come! Er...are in in KL or Penang?
Take care and hope to see you.
Cheers
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Anonymous Not sure yet.
And if I do go, I won't wear jeans. Muahahaha, so you won't know who I am, muahahahaha ! :)
Denim Guy
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nick Sis,
Sometime it looks like that Pakatan Rakyat can't handle the expectation or simply unable to meet their promises. However, it occurred to me (just like what you pointed out) that Pakatan has very limited power and influences of which in some cases, promises and expectation are not met (beyond their control).
We have yet to see them in action as the ruling government (with full control and power of government in their hand)and going by their political stand and principle (the joint thingy..err..I mean their CPF), I should think that alone would entice us to give them an enormous benefit of the doubt. What I mean is look at the alternative..err..choice if you can call it a choice (UMNO and BN)! These dinosaur have been in control for half a century and we are not better, in fact we are getting worse.
So I should say that if we can tolerate UMNO and BN's antics and disaster rule for half a century, why can't we give PR a chance at governing (maybe a single term)? Even an improvement or moving forward at a snail's pace is much better than thousands of backward steps that UMNO and BN are capable of. Therefore the question whether PR can meet our expectation should be replace with "What's the worse that can happen if we gave PR a shot at governance?" They are acting and talking about the right and necessary thing, aren't they? So GIVE THEM A CHANCE AND SEE IF THEY CAN DELIVER RESULTS. BELUM CUBA BELUM TAHU!
Hamba.
I eagerly awaits a new future and hopefully it will happen in my life time. GOD Bless us, Sis.
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Unknown Dear Denim Guy
Wah lah - You are going to camouflage yourself in corduroys LOL???
Take care...Hehe Actually, I think I know who you are...
:-)
Cheers
*just to add to the mood of suspense
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Unknown Dear Nick
Thanks so much for your positive and rational thinking.
Seriously, please stand for elections.
I see the potential in a few digital personalities:
* Vijay Kumar Murugavell
* Nick
* Bongkerz
* JTBA
* Semuanya OK kot
* Stephen - if only he lived in Malaysia
* Arthur
and many others out there who have the calibre to lead.
Please prepare yourselves and sand for office. Malaysia needs leaders like you!!!
I believe in a bright future with a new crop of capable leaders!!!
Take care and VOTE FOR NICK!!!
Thanks so much for sharing your insightful analysis which rings true in my ear and I hope in the ears of many too!
Salam
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Anonymous Can Pakatan Rakyat meet voters' expectations?
Yes and No...
We can only hope it can do better than BN.
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Anonymous I posted a similar comment on Farish Noor's blog: Do you really think Pakatan Rakyat; a coalition made up of parties with completely different ideals, are going to be able to unite themselves let alone the country? Right now they've got a common goal - ousting BN. But if history always repeats itself then the future does NOT look good.
Remember the Malaysian Communist Party? When the Japanese were here they; like Pakatan Rakyat, had a common goal with everyone else - ousting the Japanese. Once the Japanese were gone however so was that common goal. We all know what happened next...
Even if that doesn't happen it still begs the question - now how? You might be able to change a govenrment with one election but changing people's mentality? That's a whole different story.
Can the Malays stop being so insecure and dependent on their privileges? Can the Chinese stop being so selfish and money minded? Can the Indians stop quarreling amongst themselves? Will everyone be willing & able to put communal issues aside and instead make national interests their priority?
Let's say that does happen there's still the issue of time. From the point a new government takes over, this is the timeline of change most likely to take place:
First batch of 5 years: Cleaning up all the garbage that has accumulated over the years.
Second batch of 5 years: Planting new seeds i.e. new policies, laws, infrastructures, etc.,
Third batch of 5 years: Watering & tending those seeds
Fourth batch of 5 years: Seeds grow into trees and start to bear fruit
As you can see, it will take at least 20 years (remember this is from the point of a new government being installed) before any kind of significant change can be seen. And in all that time do you honestly think the ousted BN is going to quietly sit by the side and twiddle their thumbs? All it's going to take is for them to play up some issue or other (they're grandmasters at that), get back their 2/3 majority and Malaysia will be back at square one.
When you put it on paper like this you begin to see just how bleak the situation is. Malaysians migrate and continue to do so because this country got infected with a cancer a long time ago which continued to spread unchecked and uncontrolled. And like any cancer, once it spreads beyond a certain point there is no chance of curing it.
Then again nothing is impossible.
What do you think? Would greatly appreciate some opinions on this matter.
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Unknown Dear Anonymous @ 4.02 pm
Very true! There is a 50-50 chance and it all depends on the PR leaders. They have to and they must but will they be able to deliver promises? We will have to hope for the best.
Take care...
Salam
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jtba Dear MWS ,
Excellent exercise in theory .
It would be an ideal M'sia .
I am a doubting Thomas and I only make this accusation based on the FACT that they did NOT deliver their promise in March 08 for Municipality Elections .
The politicians will already have their excuses for NOT delivering the CPF in totality or even in part.
Yes , I agree that even 50% of the CPF delivered will be better than the current state of affairs but then perhaps they should only state what they will & can deliver.
Don't make empty promises lest PR's integrity be in question .
May I ask you to raise a query at the forum regarding point 3.SOCIAL JUSTICE & HUMAN DEVELOPMENT , (3) Education ,point 3 , why the places for higher education not based on MERIT , but just as
" regardless of background ".
Lastly , the CPF are just words and will remain just that unless PR leaders prove me wrong .
I will give PR my support for Putrajaya , but will advocate/support an honest & sincere INDEPENDENT / 3rd FORCE for the State Seat to keep PR walk the straight & narrow.
Salam.
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Unknown Dear QQ
Trying very hard to be optimistic and also realistic :-). Thanks for the reminder!
Take care and continue to be an inspiration to those around you.
Cheers
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Unknown Dear Anonymous @ 4.06 apm
Sorry for this delayed response to your comment. Had to think it through first.
Firstly, thank you for your very realistic assessment of the situation. I am grateful to you for sharing your insightful comment in my blog.
Whether or not the component parties of PR unite - they HAVE to. If they don't, it is the end for them, and for us.
Secondly, with regards to your statement re people's mentality, I opine that the greatest enemy is ourselves.
How many are really willing to change their mindset? I have written many times that we need a revolution of our minds, to think beyond what we see and know.
We have been victims of manipulators. Despite being aware of that, we still subject ourselves to being manipulated by racial divides or cards of that nature. If Malaysians really and sincerely want a national identity, once and for all, put to death stereotyped ideas, attitudes and practices as you rightly mentioned.
We need a solid national identity that we can embrace willingly, no ties whatsoever. Nation building takes decades and it is going to be most challenging for us after all the dents that can be seen in so many institutions around us.
A complete revamp is needed in every area of the civil service to ensure that they are able to conform to expectations of the new government. That will be a tall order indeed.
Loads of propaganda will have to be released to change perceptions, values, morals etc to combat corruption and the decadent mentality we have seen thriving in a most unhealthy ambiance.
Well, the cancer is there. BUT many pretend it is not...and even if it is...it is curable.
But is it? I am hopeful!
The answer lies within ourselves.
You are a deep thinker and I truly enjoyed your discourse. More please....I hope you and other readers will continue to share ideas, observations and suggestions.
Take care and please keep in touch.
Best wishes
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Unknown Dear Anonymous @ 4.06 pm
So sorry. I forgot the second part of your response. Here's my take...
The time line for change can easily take more than 20 years.
I hold strongly to Hegel's triad proposition.
The triad is usually described in the following way:
* The thesis is an intellectual proposition (which is what you and I are trying to do)
* The antithesis is simply the negation of the thesis, a reaction to the proposition.
* The synthesis solves the conflict between the thesis and antithesis by reconciling their common truths, and forming a new proposition.
You see, even if the new govt is put into place, there will always be an antithesis - a reaction to the status quo.
To what extent then are they willing to work towards a synthesis? We see PR doing it now although cracks may show now and then.
In the mean time, once dislodged, you have rightly pointed out that the displaced ones will not accept their fate that easily. So what will happen?
For that, all of us will have to work very hard.
Activists, bloggers, NGOs and other watchdog organizations have to be in overdrive ...in fact everyone else.
We can do it. Pardon the example...look at Israel and the kibbutz system.
I am looking at it sociologically and not as a pro-Zionist.
Then, they were willing to send their children to the kibbutz while the rest of them worked the land and built the nation even though they spoke different tongues. That was in 1948. Look at where they are now. Where are we?
If they can do it, we can.
Only if we want to.
Do we?
Would love to hear your response and that of other readers on this.
Take care and many thanks for your comment.
Warmest wishes
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Unknown Dear JTBA
Many thanks for your response and ideas shared.
Certainly, it will be a pleasure for me to raise your question. I have invited other readers to leave questions here if they cannot be there at the forum. I will try my best to raise these questions during the Q & A.
I appreciate your comment and believe they are aware of the deliverables as the official CPF is much shorter than the original one written by Zaid Ibrahim which is 48 pages long.
They have to really work beyond rhetoric, meetings, conventions and whatever sloganeering - mistakes which BN made as well.
They have to prove to us that they are truly worthy and can meet our expectations.
And I believe that we must continue to put the heat on them lest they go the wrong way....
Take care and have a good evening.
Cheers
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jtba Dear MWS ,
I wonder how many percent of the CPF is dependent on existing LAWS that need to be amended ?
In practice / reality , not much may come into fruition as there is the stumbling block of a need for a 2/3rd majority ?? I stand corrected.
Please ask them at the Forum if the CPF comes with any qualifications ( other than being the Government of the day in Putrajaya ). Tell them to state to them ., if any .
Salam
jtba
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Unknown Dear JTBA
:-) I am correct. You ARE a deep thinker too!!! Way to go and please prepare to stand for office one day.
We need to analyze, criticize logically and rationalize as to what would be the best way to go.
Will try to raise this question at the forum.
Take care and all the best.
Warmest wishes
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Anonymous You are scaring me, Denim Girl.
Kibbutz?
Hell no, I ain't a communist and no way I am going to agree to the kibbutz system.
Plus they will NOT welcome me there anyway, I eat pork, remember?
Anyway, no corduroys either for me.
I am thinking of satin. :)
Denim (satin in disguise) Guy
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Unknown Dear Denim Guy
Kibbutz is not communist-based lah...Also, I used it as an example to illustrate how they were willing to go to such extremes in nation building.
Satin???? EEeeeeeeeeeew! You will never see me in brocade, satin or anything shimmering for that matter. Golly! I will have to wear my sunshades on that night to look for you heheheh...
Cheers
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Village Boy We should work very hard to bring about a greater human revolution and exercise patience and wisdom in solving our present predicament.
Rather than be 'drunk' by fleeting pursuits such as fame, glory, wealth, pleasure or power, we should seek to discover the true beauty and value in our everyday lives, cherish everyone around us and discover their true capabilities and potentials.
Have a blessed evening
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Anonymous ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Can the Chinese stop being so selfish and money minded?
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Most people are not selfish by nature! The reason that the Chinese seem to be so is because of the survival instinct that's deep inside all of us, knowing very well that no one will come to their rescues if they are in trouble.
Just open your eyes for once!! Chinese in Malaysia are the single group that gave the most back to the society, be it in charity or raising funds for education to the needy.
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Anonymous And for the matter raise by anon 4.06, I do have the same feeling.
It ain't gonna work.
There are too much at stake here.
Even if we do not talk about race. Let's say we all look at ourselves as Malaysians, regardless of race, problems still arise.
1. Turf
People will protect their turf with their lives.
For example:
DAP ain't gonna let anyone take away the LKS dynasty. They will do whatever it takes to make sure that the LKS dynasty berkembang in the "PR Federal Government", very similar to Najib and his cousin in politics, and Najib's brother controlling CIMB.
If DAP does that, you think the PAS people, the PKR people will just stand there and say "Hey, you are welcome, do more, do more !" ?
No la.
You wanna set up a dynasty, we can too.
The PAS people will launch their Tok Guru dynasty, and the PKR people have their DSAI dynasty to sama sama compete.
It will be a repeat the ancient China "Tri-Kingdom" era.
And worse.
The UMNO people will look and say, hey, they have dynasty, we can too, so they launch their own --- Kyir Toyo dynasty, Pak Lah dynasty, Mamak dynasty, and so on.
Which means, instead of tri-kingdom, it will become a Chun-Chiu-Zan-Guo kinda situation, where little fiefdoms warring with each others.
Other than turf,
2. Resource allocation
Fact is, Malaysia was a very resourceful country. 50 years of BN rule they have depleted most of the resources.
Most of the brains have left.
Petroleum is dwindling.
Palm Oil and Rubber are meeting competition from even countries in Africa and South America, yes, they are producing them.
And worst of all, our money is rapidly losing its value.
So ... what do you expect the PR government to do?
Tighten the belt?
That would unleash the wrath of the people.
They don't vote for PR to tighten belt. They want PR to help them - which means, to give them $$$ or something equivalent.
Spend? Other than deficit spending, there is no other way.
FDI are not coming in, and our country isn't competitive anymore.
Raising tax will only accelerate the collapse the PR government.
So what do you expect the PR government to do?
Denim Girl,
There are many other factors, I just list two.
Denim Guy
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Anonymous Unjust judges can no longer mask their hyperbole judgments with unintelligible garbage.
Doing the right thing is the duty of every judge.
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Anonymous http://telcocareer.blogspot.com/2010/01/malaysia-ngnims-back-positions.html
They are recruiting people, you know from where?
South Africa !!
How come they don't hire locals, huh?
What is wrong with the Malaysian government?
Denim Guy
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Anonymous There are many kinds of revolutions - political, economical, industrial, scientific, artistic, and so on.
But no matter how external factors change, the world will never get better as long as people remain selfish, arrogant and apathetic.
An inner change for the better in a single person is the essential first turn of the wheel in the process of making the human race stronger and wiser.
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Unknown Dear Anonymous @ 8.14 pm
Thanks for sharing your observations. I believe we must start looking at ourselves sans race-tinted glasses and forget the stereotypes that we learnt consciously or unconsciously. It has not been easy for each race to integrate and it has been exacerbated by the divide and rule policy starting from colonial masters down to some who took advantage of the pluralistic nature of our society to plant landmines here and there. Because of the inherent need to survive, some made it big and bless their hearts for giving back to society regardless of class, creed and color.
I am of the view that modernization and materialism has transformed many to display materialistic and cold-hearted tendencies. Let us find the human part of us and really put an end to the walls and build bridges instead.
It is very tough but we must try....
We have to...to make Malaysia a beautiful place for all of us to share..
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Unknown Dear Denim Guy
Whilst I appreciate your insightful observations, I still believe that change can happen BUT it will be tough.
It is the same as sociological schools of thought...we have the conflict theorists and the functionalists...
Conflict theorists focus on conflict in human society, the emergence of conflict and causal factors.
Functionalists have a different perspective. All social system shares certain functional prerequisites which must be met if the system is to survive and operate efficiently. I argue that one prerequisite is role allocation and performance.
All roles must be filled by those best able to perform them. The necessary training for them is undertaken and that the roles are performed conscientiously.
I believe all is not lost. All societies need some mechanism for insuring effective role allocation and performance. We must ensure that the most important positions in government are conscientiously filled by the most qualified persons. Now if we stop complaining and start thinking about how to train the NEXT generation of leaders and ensure they are given nothing but the best, don't you think we can offset the challenges that you mentioned?
E.g.
Turf
Leaders must see the collective good and stop thinking along party lines. I believe some have spoken positively about this.
A lot of propaganda is needed to change the mindset.
It CAN be done with the right Public relations (not foreign ones please) strategy.
Resource Allocation
Once PR comes to power, they can slowly convince Malaysians to come back. But they have to spell out the prospects and the terms.
Again communication and strategy is needed.
Can be done. I am dead sure. Call me and idealist or dreamer but I know it is possible!
Petroleum
There are still reserves which have not been documented...common sense lah....google it and u can find lots of data...
Palm Oil
Many East Malaysians are planting this - even professinals - buying land and opening palm oil plantations - even in mainland Penang!
Value of money...hmmm that one is tough, I have to admit..
FDI - can bring it in. Cut out the middle man and the 10% mentality and revamp certain sectors, move with the times, plus many changes and voila - can be restructured.
It is possible, Denim Guy!!!
Be optimistic! The end of the world oops of Malaysia is not at hand ...:-) Look forward to a new dawn!
Cheers
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Unknown Dear Denim Guy
ParaCell is a foreign company that started in Stockholm, Sweden and they have the right to recruit wherever BUT I wonder if our government has given a stipulation on the percentage of Malaysians to be employed ...So we cannot generalize and assume that the government does not care ...Just trying to be objective.
Cheers
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Unknown Dear Anonymous @ 8.16
Indeed! I pray all will have a conscience and abide by what is the written law objectively.
Take care and God bless you.
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Unknown Dear Anonymous @ 8.44pm
I have always been advocating that what Malaysians need is a revolution of our minds! We need to change our mind set - to have a paradigm shift to focus beyond what we see for ourselves.
The weaknesses you mentioned are real and largely caused by insecurity. And why? Because we all feel uncertain about our future due to the undercurrents and the chasms that we see.
So we complain and complain but I postulate that while it is good to complain, we must also act upon those complains...to do something and it has to begin with each one of us.
With that, like what you mentioned, each of us can grow stronger, more confident and hand in hand build Malaysia without feelings of suspicion or animosity but inharmony, tolerance and mutual respect.
Thanks for sharing your views. take care and have a lovely evening.
God bless you.
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Catherine Life is but a struggle with ourselves. It is a tug-of-war between moving forward and slipping backward.
We are changing constantly, but the real issue is whether we change for the better or the worse, whether or not we succeed in enlarging our narrow, self-centred focus to take a broader view.
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Unknown Dear Catherine
Thanks for saying it so gracefully, oozing with a sense of calm and serenity. Such words spoken with much wisdom will surely bear fruit in our hearts. We are blessed by you, Catherine.
Thanks and God bless you and yours!
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Hopeful Datuk Seri Mohammad Nizar urged Perakians to pray that the court would rule in favour of the Pakatan Rakyat so that he, as the reinstated mentri besar, could immediately seek for a dissolution of the state assembly.
Well said! Democracy must be returned to the people of Perak.
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Anonymous Perak senior state executive councillor Datuk Hamidah Osman said that by urging their members to prepare for the possibility of the dissolution of the state assembly and subsequent snap elections, the PR was showing disrespect to the Perak royalty.
Haha, what a joker she is!
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QQ Everything begins with the change in our attitudes, our determination.
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Unknown Dear Hopeful @ 9.52 a.m.
At a forum in Penang last year, he said the same thing. MB Nizar certainly has my highest respect and admiration for being a godly, principled and charismatic leader.
May democracy thrive in Perak and in Malaysia!
Thanks for sharing your view.
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Unknown Dear Anonymous @ 10.02 pm
Definitely! Do you remember what she said last week about foreign investments in Perak?
Sigh.
Take care and have a restful evening.
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Unknown Dear QQ
I am with you in that stance. Take care and God bless you always.
Cheers
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Anonymous other than ' dun DISrespect the royalty !' bn sudah bankrupt of ...!
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Anonymous After 52 years of experience with the one and only one BN government that Malaysians know, it is not surprising that many Malaysians suffer from "the devil you know" syndrome and fear change.
Fear of the unknown, (if PR governs) despite their idealistic claims to "steer the country to genuine democracy, justice, freedom and the rule of law", is understandable. What if PR is no better or worse than BN?
OTOH, with the country rapidly losing economic competitiveness, the credibility and independence of the judiciary questionable, the inane education system, the accelerating brain/capital drain from the country, outrageous corruption/leakages and BN desperately clinging on to power, what more have Malaysians got to lose by choosing an alternative PR government?
"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself" - FDR
Malaysia needs a paradigm shift and a "New Deal" urgently to evolve, survive and prosper in a globalized world where knowledge (intellectual capital) is crucial for survival and prosperity.
It will take time to change, but change for the better will come if there is the political/social will to develop and implement rational policies and especially young Malaysians are encouraged to think and act on the basis that everyone can make a difference to achieve an inclusive, democratic and egalitarian nation.
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Unknown Dear Anonymous @ 11.18pm
....many things...The price to pay for ...
Sighs...
Correction- We have to pay...
Take care and rest well.
Best wishes
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Unknown Dear Anonymous @ 1.41 am
Thank you for sharing the same perspective as I do except that you have indeed expressed it most eloquently.
God bless you and may you have a good rest.
Best wishes
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Anonymous Hi to a most beautiful red rose with a most beautiful face,
Just the other day "I" sent email to friends to enquire "Who is this 'masterwordsmith'?
One replied and asked me to refer to a 'margeemar' website to see her face,
And 'Oh my Allah' her beauty is not a myth!
This is the 4th article "I" read,
Your mastery and eloquence is a very very special gift ...a very very special tick!
May your vision, aspiration, hope and dream of the glorious Malaysia come true,
Through your overdrive and that of others ... and not just out of the blue!
Keep it up, keep it up, keep it up,
Aiya It's better now, that "I" seal my mouth shut!
ahyam
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jtba Dear MWS ,
An acid test has been put before PKR/PR by Zul N 's stance and polis report on the " Allah " issue .
His views on this matter are totally inconsistent with the CPF , and if they fail to sack him by the time of the Forum , then it is obvious that all the CPF is just cakap cakap saje.
I hope you will bring this matter up at the Forum .
Salam
jtba
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Unknown Dear AhYam
Many thanks for your most encouraging comment. At my age, what else is there to do but to make the remaining days of my life count?
When young, one can be frivolous and chasing after silly pursuits and only realize in our twilight years that the days matter and our thoughts, words and actions must leave a mark on others as we say adious.
May you and the others be in overdrive too for all to realize our aspiration for a new dawn in our country.
Take care and God bless you!!! Are you Pat's better half???? Just wondering! :-)
Cheers
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Unknown Dear JTBA
I have been mulling over this issue for some time and wanted to do a post on this but am halfway through another one. I have started a notepad on questions to ask and will raise this issue at the forum.
Thanks for being a very concerned Malaysian. May more emulate your exemplary conduct.
Have a great day!
Salam
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ahyam No...no... "I" am no 'Pat's better half',
How (just for fun lah) "I" wish "I" coud be!
The above line is just for fun for 'laugh' ... and just a bluff,
This old man indulges in some mental activity ... just to try to be 'dementia-free'!
"I" know a Pat Yeoh of Penang,
She is (to me) a very very powerful 'lady boss' , ten out of ten!
Pakatan will win, Pakatan will win,
This "I" earnestly pray without any whim!
Please take care, please take care,
Simply because you are very very precious and very very rare!
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Unknown Dear AhYam
Thanks for the clarification! I thought you are my old friend's husband because of the YAM :-).
I will certainly take care :-). Don't intend to expire until I see that new dawn. Also, I want to see many grandchildren running around my home and calling me "Grandmama" :-).
You take care too and thanks for swinging by again. God bless and keep you and yours.
Oh - I must get to know your friend and network with her! Have a great day!
Cheers
Anonymous So this is the one you mention, about the Feb 5 thingy, Denim Girl?
Denim Guy