POLITICAL CONSCIOUSNESS - MALAYSIANS Vs SINGAPOREANS Part 1

Posted by Unknown On Tuesday, December 1, 2009 31 comments
Malaysia and Singapore have more in common than surface issues. Whilst many may feel that Singapore is far more advanced than its Malaysian neighbour, the fact remains that both nations face the underlying threat posed by some citizens who are not too happy with the current government. The difference is in the way and avenue by which this dissent is expressed and the psyche of the unhappy lot.

It is only after the Head and Shoulders Above Us All post that I realized that anti-LKY sentiments are stronger than anti-TDM/BN feelings and that too because Singaporeans have a greater ability to think as they have higher standards of education than Malaysia and have been able to harness their human resources to their advantage while Malaysians are generally divided thanks to certain divisive policies designed in the name of development. Also, their quality of leaders is much better because of that not forgetting a lower rate of corruption and many other factors.

Following that, I asked Mr. P from Singapore to share with me his thoughts on this and to perhaps offer some explanations as to why Singaporeans seem to be more vocal about their discontent despite being more developed in many areas than Malaysia and in spite of the 'kiasi' attitude that many seem to display.

He offered the following explanation in his response via e-mail and has allowed me to republish it in this post:

"Singaporeans" where do I start? Let's start with my generation,the current and the in-between. I dare say that my generation, "the baby boomers", were the ones that built the corner stone for modern Singapore. We did what the govt. or LKY pushed down our throats without questions accepting that being English educated was an advantage in civil service and commercial firms. The Chinese stream especially those from Nantah or Nanyang university were "marginalised" in the commercial/civil service owing to their poor command of English but excelled in the boom business of construction/infrastructure/trading.

When Nanyang or Nantah was amalgamated with Singapore Uni as NUS with English as first language and mandarin the mother tongue 2nd language for all Chinese,a new generation evolved with the better English educated no longer having the upper hand against the bilingual offshoots of the Nantah generation. NUS produced these children of successful Chinese educated businessmen in the construction/infrastructure and white collar English educated civil service/commercial/financial companies.

The Chinese educated never forgot their marginalization even though more successful than others. The English educated remember their bitter pills and this becomes the core subject of their children who are enjoying the best education system where lecturers from western countries are brought in to give them a totally different approach to education.

Being smart and analytical in their thoughts, they will question and debate/argue everything the government throws at them unlike our generation who are more submissive. These are the in-between generation that includes my daughter.

The current generation are so cosmopolitan and so IT savvy it really frightens me. These are the ones commenting in the nets with their articulate command of English and the Opposition political parties are courting them. Even with the best brains in their fold i.e.PAP/Govt. a freak election may happen. Most of the young are happy with the status quo they are protesting because they felt stifled as compared with the western culture where children are given more rein to speak and decide for themselves.

I am not saying that the PAP is indispensable nor the oppositions are lacking. Singapore just happens to be UNIQUE, with no resources, they have to live by their WITs and in this area LKY is truly Head & Shoulders above the rest and he hopes to inculcate this to the new leaders before he passes on.

The two subjects which were, are and never will be resolved regarding PAP & their governing styles are i) ISD internal security act ii) the monstrous salary of Cabinet & top civil servants. Not forgetting the 15% Malays, most are PAP supporters and they thrived in the civil service and govt.back or owned companies.

Let me tell it in my simple way which again, all HELL will break loose if posted in the net. ISD- was and is still used against oppositions or anyone using RACE,RELIGION and issues that DESTABILISES the country,the last being the most difficult to pin and the opposition or people with agendas knowing that exploit it to the fullest.

Why weren't David Marshall, founder and leader of Workers Party, Dr. Lee Siew Choh leader of the breakaway Barisan Sosialis and JB Jeyeretnam the most well known leader of the opposition until his demise ever locked up??

They may get personal in their vociferous ways but they never crossed the line and are not communists or sympathizers. As for Dr. Chee Soon Juan who is getting support from those with agendas but not daring to expose themselves for fear of ISD is using him to voice their issues and like the novice he is in politics fell for it.That's why he is repeatedly trounced in election by PAPs lightweight.

Singapore, having lost its hinterland and surviving with nothing - not even drinking water, is run like a Corporation in fact many in the west wrote that Singapore is not a country but a corporation and should be know as Singapore Inc.For years there was a standing joke that the Singapore govt. is in every business except "Funeral Palour' even that has been breach today.

LKY, being the master tactician he is knew that devoted selfless leaders are fast diminishing and the new generation of young intelligence will not be so devoted as the Old Guards,most were chasing the five Cs and will not go into politics to do a thankless job. Hence the humongous pay packet. "Pay peanuts and you will get monkeys to do the job". With the pay goes the responsibilities and sacrifices.

Are you aware that Presidents,Ministers and high profile civil servants were removed and replaced when found they are not up to expectations or involved with scandalous or corrupt issues??? I may be wrong but most talented young Singaporeans aspire to be in the Cabinet,top civil servant and CEO of govt. back or own companies. Many aspire but few will reach that goal.Some my join foreign and multi corporation and make good in their careers and there are those that are enjoying the fruits of their fathers' labour, the rest will complain when unable to make the grade along with coffee shop scribes and MBA taxi drivers,failures through their own follies??? Who knows??? Only they can tell.

As for me, I am enjoying my retirement doing what I like and I still love this little REDDOT hoping that one day we may re merged with the land of my birth.

In a nutshell, that is how I see it as an ordinary 65 year old dinosaur. I am sure my generation and most of the in between will vote PAP with a few seats going to the oppositions but the current ones may create a freak election and that is the fear that one term of the wrong people in govt. will wipe out almost two generations of hard work.

This has been a very long post. I will explore the roots and malaise of the political consciousness of Malaysians in another post. Frankly, I am very grateful to readers who have been writing to me and sharing very intellectual exchanges with me which have actually helped me to develop maturity of thought, even as an older person. I am truly humbled that some sacrificed their time to pen their thoughts to me. If there be any of you who wish to be in touch with me, kindly leave your email address in the comment form and I will respond accordingly. Your contact details will not be published as comment moderation is enabled.

We live in very challenging and exciting times and the balance of power could tip either way. Please leave a comment if you wish. I would really love to hear your views and hopefully engage you in a lively debate. Thanks and have a pleasant evening!

31 comments to POLITICAL CONSCIOUSNESS - MALAYSIANS Vs SINGAPOREANS Part 1

  1. says:

    Anonymous Paula :
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    antimamak

  1. says:

    Unknown Hi antimamak

    Good evening! Did you produce that video? Very good leh...Who wrote the script???

    Keep up the good work, antimamak.

    Cheers

  1. says:

    nick Hi Sis,

    Mr P's explanation on the S'porean political and cultural environment is truly astounding. It would seem that even though the two nation are physically (and per capita) apart, the psyche of the people on both side of the causeway are relatively similar and closely linked.

    One point that I can see which motivated the majority of the people of the two nation to consistently vote their existing ruling party was 'FEAR' as mentioned in the last paragraph. The Fear of change. The fear of trying something new and untested. Fear of the younger generation making a mistake and destroying a lifetime of achievement.

    In his own word Mr. P wrote "the fear that one term of the wrong people in govt. will wipe out almost two generations of hard work" and I can see that it can also be applied to our first generation of Malaysian. This is the fear that BN and (maybe even PAP) was and is using to convince the first generation rakyat to repeatedly vote them in power.

    Fear is a strong motivator and by cleverly using fear or insinuating the existence of "the feared thing" on the horizon, an unpopular government can remain in power indefinitely (as long as the fear is still present).

    However this type of politic will not remain long (for Singapore anyway) because as more Singaporean became educated (truly educated not like the Malaysian education system) those fear of change will diminish and ultimately disappear altogether. For Malaysia, unfortunately we cannot say the same as our education system is in total shamble and mediocre to boot.

    Our only hope is that political events (or rather the deterioration of democracy) in Malaysia, will push it's citizen to conquer their fear and embrace a new idea, a new deal or a new and strange political concept (hopefully it's strongly adhered by PR) which is justice, accountability and equality. That's my hope anyway! Hope spring eternal!

    Have a pleasant evening Sis and GOD bless.

    Hamba.

  1. says:

    Anonymous Singapore, with a population of 74.2% Chinese, can be compared to Hong Kong. Historically, the Chinese are pragmatic and apolitical if they can do business, survive, prosper and get a good education for their children.

    LKY, for all his actions, is respected, as he is perceived as a strong paternalistic leader who brought prosperity to Singapore. All other issues pale before this fact.

    The younger generation who are better educated, informed and more affluent, obviously want more freedom to choose the type of social/political environment, but do not see any choice besides PAP.

    That is Singapore's dilemma. If Singapore can transform itself to an advanced democratic country, it will be a remarkable achievement indeed.

  1. says:

    Anonymous Nick-

    Very well said, the fear factor has its pros & cons.On the Malaysian side DAP,PAS are oppositions with old dedicated warhorse proving time and again that they are devoted to their cause.PK being the new kid on the block has yet to prove its mettle but with the coalition in place and each playing their part it can be a worthy opposition.Singapore's position is different,PAP is willing to and they do rope in the best from its civil service, scholars and private sector with perks that others find hard to match.Hence,the opposition with leaders having good intentions find it difficult to field enough good candidates to be a formidable opposition.In this context Malaysia has a better chance for a change.

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    Unknown Dear Anonymous @ 12.47a.m.,

    Thank you for your progressive and accurate perspective which I share as well.

    It is clear that most Singaporeans have voted rationally between the lesser of two evils. While I do not subscribe to some of LKY's policies, the sad truth is that just like in Malaysia, the opposition, even though they have noble values etc are not organized enough to make an impact in the polls, largely because they lack the machinery to do so. If they can get their act together and execute a well strategized plan, I am sure it will soar ahead. I could be wrong though for I have not read up that widely or deeply on developments. I would love to hear your views or that of any other reader on this.

    Thanks again and have a good day.

    Cheers

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    Unknown Dear Nick

    Thanks again for your very wise response to my post. I agree with you that the citizens of both nations display similar psyche and fears!

    The fear of change is a major debilitating factor not just in nation building but also in our personal development. Yet, if we can see beyond this fear which is largely due to insecurities and look forward to positive changes, then perhaps we can be brave enough to vote for change. I strongly believe that the time has come for people to think as a collective unit rather than as individuals with different interests.

    You are right in that change will probably occur in Singapore before it happens in Malaysia because the electorate there, being more educated, are aware of what lurks beneath the facade of development - unlike Malaysian who largely live in denial and cocoon themselves with a security blanket.

    It is quite tough for the same thing to happen in Malaysia because of the death of the thinking mind in many Malaysians and the dearth of political leaders/parties that have both calibre and vision.

    Still, we MUST hope that somehow, there will arise more and more who will take it upon themselves to be foot soldiers and be that change agent in their place of work/social interaction. To depend on political parties etc is NOT enough - not at this stage where the majority are still living in darkness, especially those who lack internet accessibility.

    Thanks for your honest and insightful views, Nick. I always appreciate your comments and that of other readers.

    Take care and have a good day!

    Salam

  1. says:

    Unknown Dear Peter

    My deepest appreciation to you for your inspiring and hopeful response to Nick's comment and also to the Malaysian political atmosphere.

    That and mine put together shows up the old idiom that 'the grass is always greener on the other side'.

    :-)

    Do take care and may God bless you and yours.

    Shalom

  1. says:

    nick Peter,

    Point taken. As a Malaysian, it's hard to really understand the geo-political atmosphere and the deep rooted aspiration of Singaporean in term of governance.

    I agree that the Malaysian political climate is ripe or even ready for change. It has to! Seeing the terrible degradation of our 3 pillars of government. At least I hope so! If not then it would seem our society has fallen into deep malaise (curious isn't it, how close it sounds like malay)and resigned itself to apathy. GOD forbid, should that ever happening to our society.

    What say you Sis? I bet you're furiously working on your next post offering deep and incisive look at the "nonidentical twin" that is Malaysia and Singapore.

    Have a great day, Sis and Peter too.

    Hamba.
    P.s- Sis, are you working on the post or are you furiously mopping the floor? he..he..

  1. says:

    Unknown Dear Nick,

    I have to confess. I am still doing research for Part 2 because yesterday, my friends pampered me to yet another Japanese lunch and in the evening, another friend pampered my family to a pizza Italiano party with all the trappings of carbohydrates in the form of pasta, lasagna etc...to the extent that my mopping was only executed in the evening LOL!!

    OK. Serious mode now.

    Nick, I know I am horribly a pessimistic optimist.

    While I pray for change to happen, when I look at the events and leaders that we have, I shudder and tremble at the thought of the sacrifices that may have to be made before any change can be effected.

    I hate to sound even more pessimistic but many are far too apathetic for any nation building to move in the correct direction.

    I am a radical rebel at heart and one who floats around my house with a mop (not broomstick haha) in my hand, comforting myself with idealism and foolish dreams of a perfect world ;-) if only... And I will leave it at that...:-)

    Have a good day.

    Salam

  1. says:

    Anonymous Since time immemorial there never was a perfect nation or world with the exception of the GARDEN of EDEN.
    USA with the Chinese name of "MEI GUO" and Australia known as the land of "MILK & HONEY" too has its woes, so GET REAL and work towards a less corrupt if possible non corrupt,non RACISTS,equal and progressive nation.The smallest gesture and help like a little drop of water can create a mighty ocean.

  1. says:

    Unknown Excellent comment, Peter...they always say wisdom comes with the years and I hope to have that as I grow older day by day.

    God bless you and yours, Peter.

    Take care and please keep in touch!

    Shalom

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    stephen The two countries are basically intertwined when it comes to the people who generally come from the same stock, they were one country in the not too distant past and they generally have the same ideals.After separation though, their paths diverged in terms of education,language and the use affirmative action for malaysia.52 years on,the results of the "social engineering" have come to roost.Affirmative action has brought some measure of results but at a great price.The practise of qualifying race before nationality has resulted in a country more race centric than during the colonial days.Malaysia is ruled by politicians who pander to the crowd to gain political mileage,they sway with the flavour of the day and avoid making unpopular decisions.Singapore on the other hand is ruled by technocrats,they make decisions they think will benefit the country.Being popular is not an objective,what counts are the results and they believe the people will vote them in based on that.This model will have its detractors who will feel that the government is arrogant and uncaring.So far,it has worked,the currency is strong and stable and generally things work and because the people are mostly happy, the opposition has not many major grouses to harp on.The new generation of leaders however,realising the changing aspirations of it populace who don't like being "forced fed",have altered their tack and have made reaching out to the people,explaining policies and being more consultative an issue which is a positive step.Malaysia,on the other hand is a hotbed for dissent as there are a lot of issues that can be capitalised by the opposition.Unfortunately too, being a relatively bigger country with a larger population, there are too many vocal "indian chiefs" that would give their leaders a lot of sleepless nights!
    As to political consciousness, both countries have a growing gen Y population with different ideals,for malaysia the main gripes are open discrimination and a stifling lack of tolerance and respect amongst the races.In singapore, it a perceived lack of political freedom vis a vis a lack of a credible oppostion.As for the lack of social graces, i think it is a growing problem in most countries with big cities,rising materialism and social values slowly supplanted by individual centricity.I agree it needs to be addressed to be considered a civil society.Just by reading the comments posted in forums on both sides of the causeway show we still have a long way to go!!

  1. says:

    A Arthur Hello MWS,

    I totally disagree with you that anti-LKY sentiments are higher than anti-TDM/BN sentiments in Malaysia.

    During his 22 year rule TDM introduced cronyism, money politics, destroyed the credibility of the judiciary and the police force and a whole host of failed mega projects which are actually his ego trips. And it is still a wonder that he can command respects among a number of bumiputras and other ethic groups, perhaps due to these people at the receiving end of the huge dividends and compensations paid.

    Yes, the Chinese educated were slighted for the marginalization as introduced by LKY. But that was for practical purposes as at that time China was still in the throes of the Cultural Revolution while countries like UK and the USA will be the major trading partners of Singapore.

    As to the huge bonuses and compensations paid to recruit private sectors CEOs to run 'Singapore Inc'that is justified as these CEOs bring with them a wealth of experiences. To quote a few, Dr Tony Tan from OCBC, Yong Pung How from OCBC and Micheal Fam from F&N.

    These CEOs were much better compensated when they head private companies but they answered to the call of the nation. And do you think that LKY is going to pay them peanuts, knowing that these CEOs have sacrificed their businesses for a civil career. LKY is being practical.

    And look at the police force. They are among the highest police force in the world and they are the least corrupt. In Malaysia the general consensus is that the police force is so poorly paid that they have to be on the take to make ends meet.

    Malaysians are a forgiving lot. They forget what TDM did to Anwar Ibrahim. They forget that TDM bailed out all his cronies when their projects are not sustainable. And they forget those serious blunders and high handed policies implemented by TDM. They forget the cornering of the tin market on the LME, London, the huge foreign losses, the dawn raid of Gutherie and a host of financial failures.

    Of course I credit TDM on the pegging of the ringgit at RM3.8 to a US dollar and refused to let IMF come in. Then again we may not really know the outcome if IMF do come in. Thailand and S Korea came out better when IMF stepped in during the economic meltdown in the 1997.

    I believe that there is a lot of anti-TDM and BN but all these are suppressed by the MSM. It is only now with the proliferation of the internet that more rakyat are better informed.

  1. says:

    Unknown Dear Stephen

    Thanks a million for your very brilliant comment where you have eloquently and expertly summed up the crux of the situation that both countries face most concisely and precisely.

    I cannot add to what you have said cos you said it all so beautifully and your comment is a veritable feast of style, eloquence and wisdom rolled into one paragraph or so.

    Thank you so much for adding so much value to my post and for giving me ideas for my next post.

    Do swing by again and share your erudite and elegant views.

    Thanks again and have a nice day!

    Cheers

  1. says:

    Unknown Dear Arthur,

    I will respond to your very detailed comment after I finish my session of shopping therapy :-). My partner-in-shopping-crime awaits me :-).

    Take care and swing by again later.

    Have a great day!

    Cheers

  1. says:

    A Arthur Hello MWS

    I must say that you have some real intellectuals commenting on your post, people like Peter, Nick, Stephen and even anonymous.

    You must have many friends.

    Congratulations for bringing out some current relevant issues both on our side and down south (I mean kiasu Singapore). By the way I like being kaisu for it will make one to be more competitive, more hard working and more driven by ambition and fame. Not unlike a lot of people here who have to depend on handouts and still live on clutches and after a number of years it will make them lazy and always on the look out for quick fixes and overnight fortunes without having to earn it or work for it. Over time their future generation will feel the bite as they have lost their competitiveness and the willingness to work hard.

    I wish to reiterate again that I am born a Malaysian, still am a Malaysian and have no intention to immigrate as yet.

  1. says:

    Kaki Tambak Mr P :
    "Why weren't David Marshall, founder and leader of Workers Party, Dr. Lee Siew Choh leader of the breakaway Barisan Sosialis and JB Jeyeretnam the most well known leader of the opposition until his demise ever locked up??"

    It depends on how the line is drawn and PAP can always redraw line whenever they feel remotely threaten.

    Recent developments increasing SG police powers are worrying such as :
    1) where a single person can be deemed as illegal assembly
    2) You can be prevented from leaving your house if the police feels that you going out to protest today.
    3) Taking videos and pictures of public demonstration is a crime

    FYI, JB Jeyeretnam did cross the line and was subsequently bankrupted by PAP.

  1. says:

    Kaki Tambak SG civil servants are far ahead than their Malaysians counterparts. But they are a tat over-rated. I have some years of experiences in SG gov or GLCs projects, I can tell u honestly only not many of them can survive through the rough and tumble of private sectors. I may write a blogpost on this soon.

  1. says:

    Anonymous Kaki Tambak-Sorry Sir,Madam;

    To be locked up under ISA for crossing the line on Race,Religion and destabilizing the nation is totally different from being sued civilly for defamation.

    The first you face the four walls and your tormentors whereas the second you face the Plaintiff,his/her Lawyer and the Judge

  1. says:

    Unknown Dear Arthur,

    I am quite used to you disagreeing with me hehehe :-). Become part of my life but the best part is that we can still respect and accept each other's views.

    What you have done is to give a run-down of the political development or deterioration in the last two decades but it still does not show that anti-govt/TDM feelings are stronger than anti-LKY sentiments.

    If you study Singaporean blogs, you can see that they are more expressive than Malaysians despite the climate of fear that prevails there. Further, the content of those blogs have very detailed analysis of the historical development of political consciousness and celebrated heroes and even unsung heroes.

    Then you have to examine the extent of which Malaysians have been working towards shaping their own political history and compare this against the pace and track record of Singaporeans - I am sure you will see a big difference. At the same time, the 'dependent' population of the country is more likely to support the status quo so this means that they are less likely to be politically conscious, choosing to remain apathetic of silent. Such a scenario is quite rare in Singapore because theu favor meritocracy and not positive discrimination to help any one race.

    There are still many factors but I will leave you with these few for the moment. What do you think of this, Arthur?

    Take care and I look forward to a lively debate on this.

    Cheers

  1. says:

    Unknown Dear Arthur,

    Actually I do not have many friends in the real world as I am quite a recluse and prefer to remain in the comfort of my home doing my blogging and household chores in solitude :-).

    However, through blogging, I have made many friends from all over the world and these digital personalities such as you and the others you mentioned. I am very grateful to all who take the time to read my blog and to share their ideas, in a very elegant manner, I must say.

    Take care and have a good rest.

    Cheers

  1. says:

    Unknown Dear Kaki Tambak

    I appreciate that you have added relevant information to my blog and hope that you will continue to share to enlighten us.

    I also agree with you that in quite a number of areas, Singapore is over-rated.

    Looking forward to your next blog post.

    Thanks for swinging by. Take care and please keep in touch!

    Cheers

  1. says:

    Unknown Dear Peter,

    Thanks for taking the trouble to share your thoughts with us once again.

    God bless you and yours always.

    Cheers

  1. says:

    Kaki Tambak Peter:
    "To be locked up under ISA for crossing the line on Race,Religion and destabilizing the nation is totally different from being sued civilly for defamation."

    You are correct.But SG implementataion of ISA or bankrupting people has a foul smell of unfairness (maybe injustice too). The difference of these 2 maybe the severity(or cruelty) but the objectives are still same. Take ur opponent out at all cost(even at a disproportionate one).

    I am too young know 1st hand what exactly transpired in 60s and 70s ISA detentions. Can someone actually compiled a list of all SG ISA detainees and the alleged cause of their detention? Maybe then we could have some reference to examine things.

    Justification on the use of draconian means is a slippery path. We may even have problem determining who have the right to dispense such means? Who has the right to overturn such means if it is later found to be unjust?

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    Anonymous Kaki Tambak-

    Lets look at the big picture,there never I repeat never will be a perfect society or govt.per se.What we should appreciate not necessary be grateful for is the logic that any govt. that provides equal opportunities base on meritocracy and abilities not RACE & RELIGION is a stand alone achievement.

    Going back to the 60s are books written by credible or at times bias writers depending on personal views and there are far to many to list.Dropping by the National Archives would be a great help.

    Coming from that era and if my 65year old grey matter had not deteriorated much, I recollect two events which may shed some light on my comments.

    1.)Dr. Lee Siew Choh;His speeches in parliament as Barisan MP are far longer than LKY's yearly speeches when he was PM. 7hrs plus to be precise.Dr. Lee was sued by LKY and paid for damages amounting to $30,000, but that did not stop him from being vociferous.Dr. Lee even join hands with JBJ in GE and took on a seat in parliament as the highest vote receiver that lost in the GE.A seat now occupied by opposition Sylvia Lim of Workers Party.I am glad to have met and knew him.

    2.)David Marshall, Singapore's first Chief Minister before self rule,founder of the Worker's Party and a nemesis of LKY.Their clashes on radio forum before TV was a delight to all listening in, buy a book on this or refer to the N.Archives.Though with different ideals and opposing parties their mutual respect was undeniable.Upon returning after his long term as Ambassador many young ones sought his views on the current political scene knowing him as a man of quick wit & temper to boot never mincing his words.When asked a question regarding freedom of speech,he retorted in his usual manner"Who says there is no freedom of speech? just be prepared to be sued if you step out of line" or something to that effect.

    3.)JBJeyeretnam,the never say die icon who risk all and lost all except his Ideals for a caring not pro socialist/communist society which he brought along with him to his grave.
    I was there at Grange Road the Raffles School ground counting center when he won his seat in parliament the jubilant crowd and a dejected LKY on TV is something to remember.LKY as usual suggested a different voting system that definitely did not augers well with the public and died a natural death, but than that is LKY for you.I met JBJ when I approached him on behalf of an Indonesian friend in need of a lawyer defending a civil suit for claims by a PAP supporter.I saw JBJ in action and he argued without fear and we won.I have always respected JBJ for his guts though not necessary agree with all his opinions.After all we each have our own opinions and ideals and its up to society/people/voters to decide who is right or wrong,smart, stupid or idiotic.

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    A Arthur I agree with Peter.

    Although I have not met LKY as yet (just listen to some of his speeches on youtube), his methods of dealing with opponents, which he thought would be detrimental to the survival and development of SG, clearly indicated his decisive leadership. In troubled times, a weak leader could be easily overwhelmed by some nationalistics and fervor ideals whose time has not come and who wished to be judged by some foreign correspondents who wrote well of them.

    Immediately after the separation of SG from Malaysia, a nascent country with practically no resources at ll and with threatening neighbors, SG just could not follow the "one size fits all" democracy as purported to be practised by UK and USA. Yes, LKY used ISD to imprison his opponents but can anybody give me a list of all these jailed opponents, apart from DLHS and a handful of former Barisan Socialist members. I bet the list is not long and for those who have beef against LKY you are missing the big picture. If LKY has governed SG without the consciences of a true statesman and a nationalist, SG would long has collapsed and would probably end up to be an annexure of Indonesia or re-join Malaysia on the terms of a defeated nation.

    Perhaps SG may not grant its citizens or foreign visitors total freedom of speech but in religion
    there is total respect and freedom. It is a country that practices meritocrazy and its emphasise is on diligence, you have to earn your keeps, you have to work for it and you have to take risks when you venture out.

    Her governing principals are based on a fair society and not a welfare one. No handouts and no free rides, each has to earn it. Perhaps they do give some preferences to minority groups initially to the Malays, but after a while even the Malays rejected such offers of patronage. They prefer to earn their place in the sun. And their future generation would also be walking tall.

    To Kaki Tembak, the draconian measures as you mentioned may or may not be justified at that time. LKY is also no God but a mere mortal being who is at least highly gifted to run SG. He may have erred and I am not sure whether in his twilight years he is going to reflect or admit those human errors he made in the governing of SG. But seeing what SG is today and comparing the likes of Malaysia, LKY deserves my highest respect and echolades, though i am just a nobody but a keen admirer of him.

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    Kaki Tambak Peter and Arthur,

    Suharto killed hundreds of thousands of innocent lives.
    Mahathir screwed up the whole country and may have caused the death of a few people.
    LKY build a modern efficient state and did not killed anyone (at least not to my knowledge)

    LKY wins hand down in comparison.

    If we can compare SG with backward state like MY and Indon, can we not at least discuss with an open heart without fear(not an upfront dismissive one) some of the very grey areas of LKY rule. It is not so much about justification of right or wrong, but to have a more balance view of things.

    During the good times, Malaysians ignored the dismantling of public institutions for the economic sweets promised by a strongarm Mahathir rule. When Mahathir left the hot seat, the negatives perpetuated.

    It is precisely that no gov or least of all politicians can be deemed perfect, that we must take the negatives as seriously(if not more seriously) as its pluses.

    There are many positives we can learn form LKY. But little as LKY negatives are, it would be good to have things covered. There is no guarantee with politicians.

    Sorry for being mental about politicians. I come from a strange anti Mahathir, LKY, BN, PAP upbringing.

    Most Chinese heaps tonnes of unconditional praises on LKY. Many Malays throws their fanatic blind faith to UMNO. It is duty of freaks like me to talk about the unorthodox stuff in hope to keep things balance.

    PS : From your comments your respect for LKY seems well founded. But not so for many others.

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    Kaki Tambak LKY is a miracle worker for turning a zero resource and tiny island into an economic fortress. It is natural for us to idolize him as the master-architect.

    But have we ever thought of where the bricks, cements, sands and labourers? From the resource rich S.E.A basin of course. Something Taiwan, S Korea, Japan or HK doesn't have.

    Without the cheap labours and engineers that drives the shipyard, factories and construction industries. The doctors, teachers and even sales girls that drives the service industries.

    And not forgetting the endless billions stashed in Singapore by the region tycoons, corrupt politicians, police and military warlords (From Myanmar Juntas, PDRMs, Brunei Sultan, Indon tycoons and even UMNO folks). So with this steroids SGD becomes stronger and can buy things cheaply.

    The success of Singapore was built not only by LKY brilliance but also by the failure of its corrupt neighbour states.

    I know its the survival of the fittest or smartest model out there. But it would great if we can work towards the goal lessening suffering of normal folks in its neighboring states.

    For a start, stop arm sales to Myanmar. And maybe condemning the Junta for their atrocities. It might burn a small hole in the country's pocket but its worth it.

  1. says:

    Kaki Tambak By the way, found a great post at We can do better.

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    Unknown Dear Arthur, Peter and Kaki Tambak,

    Thanks for such passionate responses to the topic. I have said it before so I will make this brief.

    With due respect, I believe there is no perfect leader in this world just as there are no perfect mortals. Where LKY is concerned, I believe he made some wrong decisions in the name of his nation and others had to pay the price for it bitterly. At the same time, blind adoration is not too healthy and I have debated on this with Arthur.

    I agree with Kaki Tambak that Singapore thrived not wholly on LKY's leadership but was/is blessed by the failure of its neighbouring nations and capitalized on what those nations did not use/appreciate - particularly human resources. Many left for SG via the ASEAN and contributed to nation building there and I do not fault them at all for if they had stayed behind in their own motherland, they would not be where they are today.

    At the same time, I always believe that there is more than meets the eye. Malaysians seem to feel that Singapore is better off etc but upon close scrutiny, the difference is not that great with a few exceptions...such as if you compare the greatness of LKY and TDM ;-).

    Perhaps one day, the two nations might be one again? I know - that is idealistic me speaking.

    Once again, thanks for your wonderful contributions which I certainly enjoyed greatly. Thanks Kaki Tambak for that link to a very touching article.

    God bless you all!

    Cheers

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